Anselm's Prosologion Redux and Rebutal

The pupose of this redux is to add further clarity to the writings of Anselm of Canterbury. Anselm was a philosopher born in the year 1033 in Aosta, Italy. I

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The pupose of this redux is to add further clarity to the writings of Anselm of Canterbury. Anselm was a philosopher born in the year 1033 in Aosta, Italy. I was challenged by the double negatives in the writings of this philosopher, so with the goal of absolute clarity, I re-wrote chapters 2-5 from the Prosologion[1]. Kind of an amphlified commentary thereof with a bit of polemic thrown in for feedback. References to Gaunilo of Marmoutiers will appear throughout as it was the preeminant critique in Anslem's time.

Chapter 2 - Hopkins and Richardson Translation

God truly [i.e., really] exists.
Therefore, 0 Lord, You who give understanding to faith, grant me to understand— to the degree You know to be advantageous— that You exist, as we believe, and that You are what we believe [You to be]. Indeed, we believe You to be something than which nothing greater can be thought. Or is there, then, no such nature [as You], for the Fool has said in his heart that God does not exist? (Psalms 13:1 & 52:1(14:1 & 53:1)). But surely when this very same Fool hears my words “something than which nothing greater can be thought,” he understands what he hears. And what he understands is in his understanding, even if he does not understand [i.e., judge] it to exist. For that a thing is in the understanding is distinct from understanding that [this] thing exists. For example, when a painter envisions what he is about to paint: he indeed has in his understanding that which he has not yet made, but he does not yet understand that it exists. But after he has painted [it]: he has in his understanding that which he has made, and he understands that it exists. So even the Fool is convinced that something than which nothing greater can be thought is at least in his understanding; for when he hears of this [being], he understands [what he hears], and whatever is understood is in the understanding. But surely that than which a greater cannot be thought cannot be only in the understanding. For if it were only in the understanding, it could be thought to exist also in reality— something which is greater [than existing only in the understanding]. Therefore, if that than which a greater cannot be thought were only in the understanding, then that than which a greater cannot be thought would be that than which a greater can be thought! But surely this [conclusion] is impossible. Hence, without doubt, something than which a greater cannot be thought exists both in the understanding and in reality.

Chapter 2 - planksip® Interpretation & Commentary

Imagining that I am Anselm in a time that I can't really even fully comprehend, I would say this sounds like a justification and support of a faith based claim on reality. This we know but right away we see a bias to the pias. Assigning the concept of god to that of "which nothing greater can be thought", we see the framework for the ontological arguement for the existence of god, albeit on shakey ground with the surrender to an omnicient overloard. Chapter 2 is really about putting limits on human imagination. I wonder if Anselm was alive today whether or not he would be singing the same Gregorian chant.

Chapter 3 - Hopkins and Richardson Translation

[God] cannot be thought not to exist.
Assuredly, this [being] exists so truly [i.e., really] that it cannot even be thought not to exist. For there can be thought to exist something which cannot be thought not to exist; and this thing is greater than that which can be thought not to exist. Therefore, if that than which a greater cannot be thought could be thought not to exist, then that than which a greater cannot be thought would not be that than which a greater cannot be thought— [a consequence] which is contradictory. Hence, something than which a greater cannot be thought exists so truly that it cannot even be thought not to exist. And You are this [being], 0 Lord our God. Therefore, 0 Lord my God, You exist so truly that You cannot even be thought not to exist. And this is rightly the case. For if any mind could think of something better than You, the creature would rise above the Creator and would sit in judgment over the Creator— something which is utterly absurd. Indeed, except for You alone, whatever else exists can be thought not to exist. Therefore, You alone exist most truly of all and thus most greatly of all; for whatever else exists does not exist as truly [as do You] and thus exists less greatly [than do You]. Since, then, it is so readily clear to a rational mind that You exist most greatly of all, why did the Fool say in his heart that God does not exist? (Psalms 13:1 & 52:1 (14:1 & 53:1)). — why [indeed] except because [he is] foolish and a fool!

Chapter 3 - planksip® Interpretation & Commentary

We can't even imagine what it's like for god not to exist. Who says that except the fanatical and evangecal? Today may be different, and I am glad it is, for I have this capacity to evaluate truth claims with the backdrop and context of the modern world. Anselm's rise to political prominance was promotion through relucatance. Overachievers were seen as opportunists.

Kevin Spacey plays this card nicely in the Game of Cards mini-series and there is something self-similar to how Anselm played the game. Political posturing aside, Anselm finishes Chapter 3 with a little bit of fool shaming quoting Psalms 14:1 and 53:1. I searched for "fool" in an amphlified version of the bible and found the following passage from Proverbs 14.

14:3 The word “fool” in the Old Testament seldom, if ever, is used to describe the feebleminded, imbecile, idiot, or moron. Rather, it always has within it the meaning of a rebel , especially against God and the laws of order, decency, and justice. Notice in Proverbs how many such characteristics of rebelliousness are listed against the fool, and see God’s attitude toward them.

A rebel you say! Against god, for sure, but moving against the laws of order? Just like god, order is a man-made construct. The only relevant (not revelation) position is the second law of thermal dynamics. The law that states, "the state of entropy of the entire universe, as an isolated system, will always increase over time. The second law also states that the changes in the entropy in the universe can never be negative." As humans we organize the chaos, make sense of the confusion and harness it's movement for our nefarious and lily-white means, religion or not, it's in our nature and nature itself. For what it's worth, Anselm was almost a century decomposed before the codiscovery of entropy took place. The difference between "inventors" was only a matter of degree! I realize that the flavor Proverbs is referring to for "order" is not so much entropy but related terms to decency and justice. The word, "fool" is the focal point for Anselm with nonbelieve as audacious. Mneumonically I can't help but associate this "fool" with the (now famous), "i pity the fool" pseudo-aphorism from Mr. T. Really? Did I just liken Anselm to Mr. T? Well yes and I pity the fool that doesn't.

Chapter 4 - Hopkins and Richardson Translation

How the Fool said in his heart that which cannot be thought.
Yet, since to speak in one's heart and to think are the same thing, how did [the Fool] say in his heart that which he was unable to think, or how was he unable to think that which he did say in his heart? Now, if he truly [i.e., really]— rather, since he truly— both thought [what he did] because he said [it] in his heart and did not say [it] in his heart because he was unable to think [it], then it is not the case that something is said in the heart, or is thought, in only one way. For in one way a thing is thought when the word signifying it is thought, and in another way [it is thought] when that which the thing is is understood. Thus, in the first way but not at all in the second, God can be thought not to exist. Indeed, no one who understands that which God is can think that God does not exist, even though he says these words [viz., “God does not exist”] in his heart either without any signification or with some strange signification. For God is that than which a greater cannot be thought. Anyone who rightly understands this, surely understands that that [than which a greater cannot be thought] exists in such way that it cannot even conceivably not exist. Therefore, anyone who understands that God is such [a being] cannot think that He does not exist. Thanks to You, good Lord, thanks to You— because what at first I believed through Your giving, now by Your enlightening I understand to such an extent that [even] if I did not want to believe that You exist, I could not fail to understand [that You exist].

Chapter 4 - planksip® Interpretation & Commentary

Apparently doubters, decenters and defenders of reason really do believe in god, they just don't realize they do. Audacious in the fullest sense the approach from Anselm offer an, "us versus them" defence for the existence of god, playing on the deindividualization and autonomy of his brown-nosed, scripted luck club. Making the claim that nothing greater can be thought is nothing more on the monopoly of thinking man, I reject this completely. No arguement can encapsulate the all possibilities with a label. Serving the fuction of increasing social cohesiveness is a possibility for the panderings of Mr. Anselm, especially in the turn of the first century when he walked the roads of Canterbury but truth it is not!

Chapter 5 - Hopkins and Richardson Translation

God is whatever it is better to be than not to be. Alone existing through Himself, He makes all other things from nothing.
What, then, are You, 0 Lord God, than whom nothing greater can be thought? What indeed are You except that which— as highest of all things, alone existing through Himself— made all other things from nothing? For whatever is not this is less great than can be thought. But this [less greatness] cannot be thought of You. Therefore, what good is lacking to the Supreme Good, through whom every good exists? Consequently, You are just, truthful, blessed, and whatever it is better to be than not to be. For it is better to be just than not-just, blessed than not-blessed.

Chapter 5 - planksip® Interpretation & Commentary

This move towards the ideal form is very plutonic, currupted I would say, but plutonic none-the-less. The logic of comparing the dicotomy of just / unjust with the concept of god is rather superficial. Underneath this feastering boil of pompus puss lies an infection, an illogical illusion. In comes the problem of good versus evil. Stop, pause here and really contemplate this contradiction. As thinking things we intitled to ask. The Anselm answer is automatic and autonomous. This should be a violation of the human mind, not the embodiment of an ideal form.

Now for the Monk of Marmoutier... aka the rebbutal.

From On Behalf of the Fool, Gaunilo, a Monk of Marmoutier 1078

  1. IF one doubts or denies the existence of a being of such a nature that nothing greater than it can be conceived, he receives this answer:

The existence of this being is proved, in the first place, by the fact that he himself, in his doubt or denial regarding this being, already has it in his understanding; for in hearing it spoken of he understands what is spoken of. It is proved, therefore, by the fact that what he understands must exist not only in his understanding, but in reality also.

And the proof of this is as follows. ‐‐ It is a greater thing to exist both in the understanding and in reality than to be in the understanding alone. And if this being is in the understanding alone, whatever has even in the past existed in reality will be greater than this being. And so that which was greater than all beings will be less than some being, and will not be greater than all: which is a manifest contradiction.

And hence, that which is greater than all, already proved to be in the understanding, must exist not only in the understanding, but also in reality: for otherwise it will not be greater than all other beings.

  1. The fool might make this reply:
    This being is said to be in my understanding already, only because I understand what is said. Now could it not with equal justice be said that I have in my understanding all manner of unreal objects, having absolutely no existence in themselves, because I understand these things if one speaks of them, whatever they may be?

Unless indeed it is shown that this being is of such a character that it cannot be held in concept like all unreal objects, or objects whose existence is uncertain: and hence I am not able to conceive of it when I hear of it, or to hold it in concept; but I must understand it and have it in my understanding; because, it seems, I cannot conceive of it in any other way than by understanding it, that is, by comprehending in my knowledge its existence in reality.

But if this is the case, in the first place there will be no distinction between what has precedence in time ‐‐ namely, the having of an object in the understanding ‐‐ and what is subsequent in time ‐‐ namely, the understanding that an object exists; as in the example of the picture, which exists first in the mind of the painter, and afterwards in his work. Moreover, the following assertion can hardly be accepted: that this being, when it is spoken of and heard of, cannot be conceived not to exist in the way in which even God can be conceived not to exist. For if this is impossible, what was the object of this argument against one who doubts or denies the existence of such a being?

Finally, that this being so exists that it cannot be perceived by an understanding convinced of its own indubitable existence, unless this being is afterwards 145 conceived of ‐‐ this should be proved to me by an indisputable argument, but not by that which you have advanced: namely, that what I understand, when I hear it, already is in my understanding. For thus in my understanding, as I still think, could be all sorts of things whose existence is uncertain, or which do not exist at all, if some one whose words I should understand mentioned them. And so much the more if I should be deceived, as often happens, and believe in them: though I do not yet believe in the being whose existence you would prove.

  1. Hence, your example of the painter who already has in his understanding what he is to paint cannot agree with this argument. For the picture, before it is made, is contained in the artificer’s art itself; and any such thing, existing in the art of an artificer, is nothing but a part of his understanding itself. A joiner, St. Augustine says, when he is about to make a box in fact, first has it in his art. The box which is made in fact is not life; but the box which exists in his art is life. For the artificer’s soul lives, in which all these things are, before they are produced. Why, then, are these things life in the living soul of the artificer, unless because they are nothing else than the knowledge or understanding of the soul itself?
    With the exception, however, of those facts which are known to pertain to the mental nature, whatever, on being heard and thought out by the understanding, is perceived to be real, undoubtedly that real object is one thing, and the understanding itself, by which the object is grasped, is another. Hence, even if it were true that there is a being than which a greater is inconceivable: yet to this being, when 146heard of and understood, the not yet created picture in the mind of the painter is not analogous.

  2. Let us notice also the point touched on above, with regard to this being which is greater than all which can be conceived, and which, it is said, can be none other than God himself. I, so far as actual knowledge of the object, either from its specific or general character, is concerned, am as little able to conceive of this being when I hear of it, or to have it in my understanding, as I am to conceive of or understand God himself: whom, indeed, for this very reason I can conceive not to exist. For I do not know that reality itself which God is, nor can I form a conjecture of that reality from some other like reality. For you yourself assert that that reality is such that there can be nothing else like it.

For, suppose that I should hear something said of a man absolutely unknown to me, of whose very existence I was unaware. Through that special or general knowledge by which I know what man is, or what men are, I could conceive of him also, according to the reality itself, which man is. And yet it would be possible, if the person who told me of him deceived me, that the man himself, of whom I conceived, did not exist ; since that reality according to which I conceived of him, though a no less indisputable fact, was not that man, but any man. Hence, I am not able, in the way in which I should have this unreal being in concept or in understanding, to have that being of which you speak in concept or in understanding, when I hear the word God or the words, a being greater than all other beings. For I can conceive of the man according to a fact that is real and familiar to me: but of God, or a being greater 147 than all others, I could not conceive at all, except merely according to the word. And an object can hardly or never be conceived according to the word alone.

For when it is so conceived, it is not so much the word itself (which is, indeed, a real thing ‐‐ that is, the sound of the letters and syllables) as the signification of the word, when heard, that is conceived. But it is not conceived as by one who knows what is generally signified by the word; by whom, that is, it is conceived according to a reality and in true conception alone. It is conceived as by a man who does not know the object, and conceives of it only in accordance with the movement of his mind produced by hearing the word, the mind attempting to image for itself the signification of the word that is heard. And it would be surprising if in the reality of fact it could ever attain to this.

Thus, it appears, and in no other way, this being is also in my understanding, when I hear and understand a person who says that there is a being greater than all conceivable beings. So much for the assertion that this supreme nature already is in my understanding.

  1. But that this being must exist, not only in the understanding but also in reality, is thus proved to me:
    If it did not so exist, whatever exists in reality would be greater than it. And so the being which has been already proved to exist in my understanding, will not be greater than all other beings.

I still answer: if it should be said that a being which cannot be even conceived in terms of any fact, is in the understanding, I do not deny that this being is, accordingly, in my understanding. But since 148through this fact it can in no wise attain to real existence also, I do not yet concede to it that existence at all, until some certain proof of it shall be given.
For he who says that this being exists, because otherwise the being which is greater than all will not be greater than all, does not attend strictly enough to what he is saying. For I do not yet say, no, I even deny or doubt that this being is greater than any real object. Nor do I concede to it any other existence than this (if it should be called existence) which it has when the mind, according to a word merely heard, tries to form the image of an object absolutely unknown to it.

How, then, is the veritable existence of that being proved to me from the assumption, by hypothesis, that it is greater than all other beings? For I should still deny this, or doubt your demonstration of it, to this extent, that I should not admit that this being is in my understanding and concept even in the way in which many objects whose real existence is uncertain and doubtful, are in my understanding and concept. For it should be proved first that this being itself really exists somewhere; and then, from the fact that it is greater than all, we shall not hesitate to infer that it also subsists in itself.

  1. For example: it is said that somewhere in the ocean is an island, which, because of the difficulty, or rather the impossibility, of discovering what does not exist, is called the lost island. And they say that this island has an inestimable wealth of all manner of riches and delicacies in greater abundance than is told of the Islands of the Blest; and that having no owner or inhabitant, it is more excellent than all other countries149, which are inhabited by mankind, in the abundance with which it is stored.

Now if some one should tell me that there is such an island, I should easily understand his words, in which there is no difficulty. But suppose that he went on to say, as if by a logical inference: “You can no longer doubt that this island which is more excellent than all lands exists somewhere, since you have no doubt that it is in your understanding. And since it is more excellent not to be in the understanding alone, but to exist both in the understanding and in reality, for this reason it must exist. For if it does not exist, any land which really exists will be more excellent than it; and so the island already understood by you to be more excellent will not be more excellent.”

If a man should try to prove to me by such reasoning that this island truly exists, and that its existence should no longer be doubted, either I should believe that he was jesting, or I know not which I ought to regard as the greater fool: myself, supposing that I should allow this proof; or him, if he should suppose that he had established with any certainty the existence of this island. For he ought to show first that the hypothetical excellence of this island exists as a real and indubitable fact, and in no wise as any unreal object, or one whose existence is uncertain, in my understanding.

  1. This, in the mean time, is the answer the fool could make to the arguments urged against him. When he is assured in the first place that this being is so great that its non‐existence is not even conceivable, and that this in turn is proved on no other ground than the fact that otherwise it will not be greater than 150all things, the fool may make the same answer, and say:
    When did I say that any such being exists in reality, that is, a being greater than all others? ‐‐ that on this ground it should be proved to me that it also exists in reality to such a degree that it cannot even be conceived not to exist? Whereas in the first place it should be in some way proved that a nature which is higher, that is, greater and better, than all other natures, exists; in order that from this we may then be able to prove all attributes which necessarily the being that is greater and better than all possesses.

Moreover, it is said that the non‐existence of this being is inconceivable. It might better be said, perhaps, that its non‐existence, or the possibility of its non‐existence, is unintelligible. For according to the true meaning of the word, unreal objects are unintelligible. Yet their existence is conceivable in the way in which the fool conceived of the non‐existence of God. I am most certainly aware of my own existence; but I know, nevertheless, that my non‐existence is possible. As to that supreme being, moreover, which God is, I understand without any doubt both his existence, and the impossibility of his non‐existence. Whether, however, so long as I am most positively aware of my existence, I can conceive of my non‐existence, I am not sure. But if I can, why can I not conceive of the non‐existence of whatever else I know with the same certainty? If, however, I cannot, God will not be the only being of which it can be said, it is impossible to conceive of his non‐existence.

  1. From the Prosologion, Anselm of Canterbury 1077, Hopkins and Richardson trans. ↩︎

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